www.billnelson.com

Welcome to 'The Dreamsville Inn' - a virtual pub for the Nelsonian community
It is currently Sun May 19, 2013 4:55 pm

All times are UTC + 1 hour




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 159 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 ... 16  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Gentleman Rocketeers Double CD & DVD set
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:38 pm 
Offline
Regular
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:35 pm
Posts: 4332
Location: Humming In The Void
Quote:
We actually tried that, (as I believe, did some of the other artists.) We asked for the right to audit accounting regarding sales and royalties. Unfortunately, they wouldn't allow that to be put into the contract. I do know that one of the other bands attempted to get a financial contribution from the company towards the cost of remixing their audio for their DVD, but, unsurprisingly, that wasn't forthcoming either. :roll:


Understood, Its one thing to make reasonable demands & another to get them, but I can't believe that selling on the rights to your performance without even consulting you first, is in any way acceptable business practice, It says "we don't expect to work with this artist again so lets milk it now for all its worth",

They appear to have ripped up the contract you signed, I bet there was nothing in it to say this could be an eventuality,

I think I speak for the majority on this site when I say we are all absolutely appalled at the way you have been treated so far,

_________________
Obsessions can be depressing, but you can get round that by being obsessed by a wide variety of subjects.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Gentleman Rocketeers Double CD & DVD set
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:53 pm 
Offline
Regular

Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:21 pm
Posts: 39
sauropod wrote:
Bill Nelson wrote:
It's an old trick...sell the rights on to another company, (which is often just the original people under a new name,) and the old company is no longer accountable for their non-accounting or non-payment or whatever.


Is there a way to determine who are the owners/principals at Salvo to determine if they are the same people that made the original deal?

If so, I would think that would be actionable. :evil: 'Pod.



Hi

I've bought ac couple of Salvo releases and have been really impressed with packaging, notes etc. If you check out their website I very much doubt it is a "front" company. They've probably just been offered a good deal from Metropolis, shame Bill wasn't.

H


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Gentleman Rocketeers Double CD & DVD set
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:39 pm 
Offline
Regular

Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:22 pm
Posts: 23
Location: Bourne, Lincs
What an evil exploiting world we live in! :twisted:
By the look of things Bill, what you've experienced is little better than being scammed. If this type of practice continues unchecked, there will be no musicians left to produce anything.
The only good thing to come out of it from a fan's point of view is the superb DVD that many now own. How about making another one seeing as you have a vast back catologue to delve into? I thought the mixture of your songs on the last one was just right. If you do make another one though Bill, make sure you are fully financially rewarded for your work.

_________________
I'm just a pen pushing jotter blotter.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Gentleman Rocketeers Double CD & DVD set
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:44 pm 
Offline
Regular
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:05 am
Posts: 507
Location: South of Mt Wellington
I and I suspect many others would love to see a DVD of you performing some of your more recent material.

For those of us in remote parts of the world (Tasmania) who can't get to Nelsonica.

It need not be an expensive production....... but good sound quality (easier if you were in charge of that Bill)

If nothing else get some friends to film your Nelsonica performances and make them available to those who due to the tyranny of distance didn't get to York....... I for one would pay money for that!

_________________
Bemused..... the Human Condition


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Gentleman Rocketeers Double CD & DVD set
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:01 am 
Offline
Regular
User avatar

Joined: Sat May 28, 2005 7:40 pm
Posts: 647
Location: Springfield
I think Bill should investigate the feasaBillity :wink: of producing his own performance DVD
with additional Band tracks and a full solo performance and gazump the feckers. :twisted:

_________________
Ne plus envisager l'art comme une distraction,
mais comme une sacer..doh..ce !


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Gentleman Rocketeers Double CD & DVD set
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:03 pm 
Offline
Regular

Joined: Fri May 18, 2007 10:32 pm
Posts: 65
Location: Crystal Palace, London SE
Geetar Homer wrote:
I think Bill should investigate the feasaBillity :wink: of producing his own performance DVD
with additional Band tracks and a full solo performance and gazump the feckers. :twisted:


I'm sure he has, if I remember the costs would be very prohibitive to potential sales levels. Would love to see one of course :)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Gentleman Rocketeers Double CD & DVD set
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:11 pm 
Offline
Regular
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:31 pm
Posts: 1936
Location: Derbyshire, UK
Well I'm no lawyer and am certainly not cognisant of and of the details/intricacies of Bill's agreement with Metropolis..none of my business either, but since it appears to be being discussed here, I'll add my bit..for what it's worth.....No disrespect intended with my comments, in fact they're probably just a load of old cobblers.

If I were to try and put myself in Bill's shoes in this, or a similar situation, pre-contract...Well if I was willing (albeit grudgingly) to contractually sign away the rights of this particular live performance and the things that went with it, DVD sales etc, as a 'trade off' for this particular performance being broadcast (one-off presumably) on mainstream British national tv, I would expect/demand that this broadcast be guaranteed within any contract as a binding clause.

If Metropolis were assuring me verbally (gentleman's agreement style), that this performance would be 100% guaranteed to be shown on national tv, how could they have any problem including such a guarantee in a contract?...indeed with a waiver attached along the line of, any failure of the said broadcast to appear within a sensible and agreed time frame and any rights to the intellectual property would be relinquished and signed over to Mr. Nelson..in other words, a safety clause for Bill. A fair exchange and one which would cause no problems to Metropolis , if their intentions were honourable.

Any refusal on their behalf to accept such a clause in the contract, would set alarm bells ringing!...surely?......Under such a refusal, probably the appropriate cause of action would have been to give them a wide birth....Easy for me to say I know, and once again no disrespect intended..and always easy in hindsight...but one has to look after one's own interests as well.

It's such a shame that this has happened to a genuinely nice person like Bill..a man that gives so much..This sort of unfortunate circumstance always leaves a sour taste, one that can linger for quite a while...but hopefully not, hopefully onwards and upwards!...I know all your fans and followers here are always behind you Bill and will wish you their very best as always... 8)

Hopefully Bill, in any similar future ventures, you (and your legal team) will have a strong 'safety net' in place.

All the best

Nick.

_________________
It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder

How I keep from going under


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Gentleman Rocketeers Double CD & DVD set
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:02 pm 
Offline
Regular
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:31 pm
Posts: 1936
Location: Derbyshire, UK
The music business...Judas, by any other name?

_________________
It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder

How I keep from going under


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Gentleman Rocketeers Double CD & DVD set
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:33 am 
Offline
Regular
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:06 pm
Posts: 9106
Location: Dreamsville Socialist Collective... of one.
Tourist in Wonderland wrote:
The music business...Judas, by any other name?

There's no business like show business. ;)

Tourist in Wonderland wrote:
Well if I was willing (albeit grudgingly) to contractually sign away the rights of this particular live performance and the things that went with it, DVD sales etc

I see the fact that this happened and we were informed of it before the initial DVD release was a gift from BN to us fans. Particularly those of us that can't be in the UK to see him live or at Nelsonica.

For that I am very grateful but, if I had known that these other DVD/CD shenanigans were going to transpire, I may not have bought the original DVD release even though BN told us about the structure of the agreement for it in advance.

_________________
"Rights are not a matter of numbers - and there can be no such thing, in law or in morality, as actions forbidden to an individual, but permitted to a mob"-Ayn Rand

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Gentleman Rocketeers Double CD & DVD set
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:25 am 
Offline
Regular
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:40 pm
Posts: 694
Location: Hinterlands, MN, US
Looking at the track listings, my educated guess is that the original DVD has been artificially & uselessly split into two video disks -- full ensemble (+ interview) & solo set -- & the full soundtrack cloned to an audio CD. My further guess is that this was purposefully done to claim that it is "a new release."

Despite bearing three disks, the price is lower than other "Classic Rock Legends" releases, which I suspect indicates that the "licensing arrangement" is bogus, trimming overhead costs such as the artist.

I had my trepidations about purchasing the original DVD release, given the manner in which the producers had played fast-&-loose with some rather simple assurances made to Mr Nelson to get him onstage.

Though nothing like an attorney (that ship sailed MANY years ago), I'd recommend going directly after control of the audio. Better still, Bill Nelson is certainly owed royalties as the songwriter -- this is generally much easier to demonstrate than for recorded material. Unless there is some weird contractual clause that indemnifies the producers from responsibility, then full accounting for sale of the recordings is due the songwriter.

And the first time a single copy of the DVD set appears in the United States, it's possible that suit may be filed on this side of the wet. There are actually Bill Nelson titles that are embargoed from sale to the U.S. -- this may be a misunderstanding on the part of the seller or the intermediary site (in this case Amazon UK) but I have personally encountered it.

Further, in the context of recorded music, "Bill Nelson" may be considered a tacit trade-mark under U.S. law, so pasting it on new product without the direct consent of the Bill Nelson involved in the recording may constitute an intellectual-property theft under United States law. Both Billy Joel & Harlan Ellison have fully trademarked their names, to cloud claims that these are "common words."

With an attorney's consent, I'd suggest looking into the possibility of releasing the audio soundtrack through a Nelson-owned imprint. Given the out-of-pocket work that Mr Nelson purchased to fine-up the audio, he has a fairly strong claim. This might force Salvo or ITV or the producers to bring suit, during which the whole mess could be brought to light. I will at this point offer $1,000 toward financing the release of such a CD, Mister N -- if your management green-lights such an approach, please drop me a note as to means of transfer.

_________________
"It's never a good omen when your goldfish commits suicide."
"Life is not without its hazards, man."


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 159 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 ... 16  Next

All times are UTC + 1 hour


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group